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I question the methodology if they found almost noone arriving by bike as the bike racks around Byres Road are in constant use. However, it's also an argument for why better infrastructure is needed. Surely Byres Road should be hitting the 10% target for bike journeys easily, and if it isn't then that raises serious questions around the design of the street.
@iain The only mention of cycling I remember is that 1.75% of all traffic is from people on bikes. I'm intending on feeding back on their plans and I will ask for their stats.
Looks like Oxford St in London received lane width reduction, similar to option 2 on Byres Rd. You can follow the Google Street View car as it attempts to overtake: https://firstname.lastname@example.org,-0.1359208,3a,75y,225.45h,59.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfE2P5hdB0p4mTR9WiBqCXQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
ibikelondon describes using cyclists to slow down traffic as "human speed bumps".
I had a very quick count up of the parking spaces going south: 48. That's not including disabled and loading bays.
So that's approx 104 total. If we give a generous estimate of 30 mins turnover, plus occupancy of 2, that's a parking load of 416 for the whole street.
Just 416 people per hour.
Give the same space over to pavements and you add in the region of 26,000 per per hour capacity. Or split the half and half with cycle lanes and you get 7,000 in by bike and 13,000 on foot.
It's just barmy that business think it's parking keeping them afloat, when actually it's holding them back.
I'm starting to think we need to mobilise/enthuse the general population in a coordinated manner to get any meaningful changes to the proposals.
Perhaps we need a Friends of Byres Road group to promote an alternative and more ambitious vision for the area, and sell the dream of what it could be?
This could then coordinate responses back to councillors and planners through petition, email/letter writing, press and events.
It's a breakthrough with the wider populace that is required to shift political will, otherwise we'll just keep on tinkering at the edges of the status-car-dominated-quo.
@jim-collinson I've been in discussion with others about this very idea and we're intending on setting-up a campaign website. I was considering "space4cycling Byres Road" and putting it under the space4cycling brand.
Yes, organising an event to bring people together to show that we need space4cycling.
I'm waiting to hear back from others about website hosting and domains, but I intend on getting something setup by the weekend. I was also thinking of organising a meet-up where we can discuss in person. Probably in a pub/cafe, perhaps Siempre.
@un I'd caution against using a cycling brand, as it might limit the scope and reach somewhat.
Naturally, I'd like to see cycling infrastructure as a key part of the redesign, but any campaign would need to be broader than that, particularly as pedestrians are so poorly served, yet are the primary users.
It certainly could be a multi pronged approach though... i.e. large community campaign, also endorsed by and supported by S4C and GoBike etc.
@jim-collinson I share your concerns. Particularly as many people who would benefit from a safe cycling environment don't currently recognise the benefit it would bring to them.
I did think of Friends of Byres Road but I thought something like that may already exist. Perhaps someone here might know?
What about space4people? It would hint at the cycling aspect (and that they're people) whilst emphasising the current motor domination.
I quite like Space4People as an alternative.
However, it's worth remembering who the ultimate target audience is for such an initiative: and really that is the councillors and council leaders. For them to be swayed by it, it would have to be clear that this was a proposal and campaign that is coming directly from residents and visitors (voters) and those connected to the area; rather than an external pressure group.
That's why I suggest something more like "Friends of Byres Road" which can get locals onboard with an alternative vision, and then empower and mobilise them to sell it in to councillors.
We have a website: https://space4peoplebyresroad.wordpress.com
The next consultation is happening some time in November.
There is an event for supporting a people friendly Byres Rd.
Sunday 22nd October starting 10.45 at the Transport museum. It'll be a good way to send the message that we want something better for walking and cycling.
The design team will feel they have more of a license to do something bold.
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Perhaps this has already come up - but - the proposed Govan-Partick foot/cycle) bridge will open a conduit from an additional area to the Byres Road fleshpots. And it's a bit of a hike on foot.
It would be a great bit of joined-up development if Byres Road was an attractive place to cycle by the time the bridge opens (a Govan councillor told me recently that it's planned for - er - 2020? - anyway, relatively soon as these things go).
Btw there's a new blog post about what would actually be good street layouts for cycling.
How to make space for people on Byres Road:
Option 1 - Pedestrianisation
Option 2 – Bus route and local access only
Option 3 – Through route
We have visualisations!
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Was sorry not to be able to make this (was Green conference weekend) but great to see such a good turnout. Also well done to whoever was doing publicity as I had my bike locked up near Kimchi Cult for an hour on Friday and when I came back there was a flyer for the event on the handlebars!
@iain Several of us were handlebar flyering the local area in the lead-up to the event. @i was the creator of them. I did try and get some shops to put-up our posters but it looked like they didn't get the manager's approval. I think the walking and cycling pound flyers went down well.
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